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"like a northern stylist"

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:07 pm
by Tye Botting
From the old boards...

Ben Garcia

"like a northern stylist"
Started at Fri Apr 16 21:00:11 2004 IP130.160.200.178 you said this in the hung gar post, "...blah blah blah move like a northern stylist..." What exactly do you mean by that? Just curious.


Tye Botting
Administrator

Re: "like a northern stylist"
Reply #1 Posted at Fri Apr 16 21:45:12 2004 IP204.196.55.102 wink Well, in general, northern and southern styles have a movement character that's quite different. If you see a good proponent of southern styles move in his/her forms, you'll notice a large difference in the caracter of the movements, more muscular almost. Anyway, big difference - I'm always teasing Sifu Paulson that he does our stuff like a southern stylist, and he teases back that I do his Hung Gar like a northern stylist. grin


Dan S

Re: "like a northern stylist"
Reply #2 Posted at Fri Apr 16 22:25:36 2004 IP204.210.96.119 Tye gets those northern kicks flying all about, makes you feel like a TKD school. :P

I see internal vs external stuff is as bigger differences than northern vs southern.

That being said, I feel the long fist TKF or norhtern stuff tends to be much more explode from the center, and the CLF (southern) does a lot more side to side or up and down motion.

The HG and mantis stuff feel really similar to me (probably my newness to HG, but lots of claw/break/elbow strikes feel alike) with the difference being the ground covering stance changes of the mantis stuff feels more offensive and the HG stance changes seem much more about bulid some power and be set for somebody to bounce off you. The range feels diffent. In my HG I don't feel like I have a lot of long range combinations compared to the mantis stuff, and when the mantis stuff gets close and becomes elbow or lock or strike/move through, the HG is more trap, strike strike strike.

At least that's what it feels like to me and it may partially be an artifact of working out in a much smaller space.


Dan N

Re:
Reply #3 Posted at Mon Apr 19 15:14:22 2004
Last Modified at Mon Apr 19 15:15:01 2004 by Dan N IP165.91.177.45 Smaller spaces stink. Unless you're Jet Li in The One. Then you can do that short range BaGua looking style. So Dan has your long fist stuff (tan tui) suffered? Anyway, I always imagined that HG would work quite well for you. I know you like the long range techniques, but in close you can just use your grizzly bear status to crush your opponent(having been the victim of this attack many times...)

Anyway, aren't there a whole bunch of wacky theories on the difference between N and S movement? Like the grass is taller and drier in the North and that's why they go so deep, whereas in the South the grass is wet and slick so the footing is wider and more ridgid...you know crap like that? Or that the yaks in the North are cross-eyed thus skips kicks are better...and butterflies flapping their wings make rain...I ramble...any thoughts on the real differences?


Dan S

Re: "like a northern stylist"
Reply #4 Posted at Mon Apr 19 21:49:01 2004 IP204.210.96.119 I don't think my Tan Tui stuff has suffered, I do end up seeing some choy li fut things to do where I used to just see the long fist.

As for the crushing stuff, I'm still not getting the good move through feel I do for mantis close things. I do have more nifty things to do once the guy is mushed against the wall, or to shrug them off when they close in on me. I'm not sure I'm saying it well, but the HG feels like I could meet a whole lot of incoming force and return damage from a restricted (sort of static) position, where I'd feel more comforable doing close in manuevering with the mantis.

As for the lore of long range + high distance covering stances of the north vs close in + set stances of the south the story I like is setting base. Boats that wobble, cities with small streets, and unstable rice paddy footing of the south favor get close and set and hurt things compared to big mountain open areas of the north where covering distance or powering up inclines or controlled down incline attacks come in more handy.


Ben Garcia

Re: Re:
Reply #5 Posted at Thu Apr 22 18:23:38 2004 IP130.160.200.178 People, you're forgetting what's important here...for god sakes remember the cross-eyed yaks!! They can't see over the tall grass so northern stylists have longer ranging footwork and it rains only in the Spring time. Capice?!


Chester

North South differences
Reply #6 Posted at Sun May 2 19:28:52 2004 IP24.126.159.184 There IS a difference between northern and southern movements.

When you look at southern styles such as choy li fut and hung gar the limbs and body move in a unified, solid way that is reminiscent of a battering ram (IMO). I think it's this characteristic that leads Tye to say it looks more muscular.

On the other hand, northern styles like praying mantis and tong bei kind of leads the arm movements with a turning/winding of the waist that reminds me of a turbine spinning. The effect I think is that Northern styles looks to have more of a whip to the moves.


Chester

On origin of North/South differences
Reply #7 Posted at Sun May 2 19:33:10 2004 IP24.126.159.184 One source of the conflicting reason for the way north and south styles look is partially because different styles have different reasons.

The stand-in-place because you're on a boat reason for southern styles I think stems from where and the way that wing chun was developed.

The solid stand in place because you're in crowded city street reason I think applies more to hung gar and probably CLF. In addition, people of that region are shorter and stockier than northerners and that kind of fighting suits them well.

As for northern styles, I think the extended look and practice methods is the result of the northerners developing methods that suit their taller physique.