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Postby Tye Botting » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:21 pm

From the old forums...

Ben Garcia

Dit da jow
Started at Mon Mar 8 16:22:29 2004 IP130.160.200.145 Hey, any recommendations/advice on buying dit da jow? I have a feeling I'll be needing some when I start training with iron rings. I also thought it might help with some long-standing running related joint problems. Anyway, I've only looked online for about 30 minutes, but there are 1000's of choices.confused


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Reply #1 Posted at Mon Mar 8 21:26:34 2004 IP204.196.55.102 The standard (and actually good for a commercially-available one) jow one can get most places is "Five Photos". It's the first one I used back in Malaysia, and I still like it.

Kwong Wing Lam also has at least one good formula available from him (www.wle.com) that I like also.

Beyond that, I have a couple of very good formulas written out in chinese that I could give you. You'd have to take them to a chinese herbalist and buy the herbs and then follow the instructions for extracting and aging the jow. If you want this, let me know. The only payback I'd want is a bottle of the resulting jow. wink

I hate to say it, but the one that Master Wang has for sale is really weak, though it does work for light conditioning (most of what people do would fit in that category, including moderate ring-work, like I described in the other thread).

For deeper linaments for things like joints and such, I prefer Zheng Gu Shui, which you can pretty much get at any chinatown in the grocer's actually. (You pronounce it kind of like Jong Goo Shway, with the leading J kind of like a mix between a J (as in Johnny) and a zh (like in baguazhang))


Dan N

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Reply #2 Posted at Wed Mar 10 01:30:28 2004 IP152.163.253.100 Okay, so I'm online and I know I can go search all of this, but I'll ask instead...in my ignorance of course embarassed What is dit da jow?


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Reply #3 Posted at Wed Mar 10 02:55:26 2004 IP66.157.164.126 You know - the herbal linament we use for conditioning. "iron hit wine", literally. You've used it before; sometimes we just call it 'jow'.


Ben Garcia

Re: Dit da jow
Reply #4 Posted at Thu Mar 11 17:55:04 2004 IP130.160.200.178 yeah, about those Chinese instructions, I don't think Tuscaloosa has any Chinese herbalists, unfortunately. In wanting a bottle of it for yourself, you brought up a question: how much would a recipe like that make? They sell pitifully small bottles (4-8 oz), so I'm just wondering how much profit these guys are making off us. Maybe Tye's KF should start making and selling jow , eh? We can have cool names for different mixes, like "The 5 Groin Knees", and " the Burning Hands of the Buddha".


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Reply #5 Posted at Thu Mar 11 19:38:38 2004 IP199.184.208.111 I think the formulas both make about a half-gallon, actually.

I also have my own formula I developed, and it's a tad more effective than 5 photos brand, but not up near the secret formulae of certain other styles. Haven't made it in years, but my original batch was scaled to make about a quart. That quart lasted me about 3 years, so a little goes a long way!
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Postby Tye Botting » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:21 pm

Here's an article I saved from a long time back that has some background and also two recipes...

Tit Ta: The Chinese Art Of Healing Injuries

By Peter Lim Tian Tek

Chinese Martial Arts are very capable in causing injury to an
opponent. In fact, causing injury is the major means employed by a
majority of the Chinese Martial Arts to gain victory. Quite often
as well, injury occurs during training in them. This is mainly due
to the difficulty of the techniques, accidents during two man
training instances and hardening anatomical weapons.

Out of this need to heal these injuries and to prevent them from
occuring again by strengthening the body, traditional Chinese
Medicine was incorporated in to the Chinese Martial Arts. This
branch of Chinese Medicine was much dedicated to osteopathy and
truamatology and employed the theories and herbs of Traditional
Chinese Medicine in these areas.

Many boxers earned their keep buy selling injury healing medication
and treating such injuries. The poorer ones selling their wares in
the street and demonstrating their effectiveness by causing injury
to themselves and then applying the medication to show how fast it
healed the injury.

They also demonstrated feats of great strength and skill to
convince the crowds of their credability. A common demonstration
was to take an iron chain or bar and hit it against the arm or body
to cause injury and then applying the medication to show the
boxer's confidence in its healing powers. Out of this kinds of
demonstrations came the common name of this branch of Chinese
Medicince: 'Tit Ta' in Cantonese, 'Tieh Ta' in Mandarin and 'Iron
Hitting' in English. Those who were physicians and did not ply
their healing art in the streets by giving demonstrations adopted
a similar sounding name for their art which has the meaning 'Fall
and Hit' but they are actually one and the same healing art.

Tit Ta Medicine comprised of methods of healing injuries sustained
and methods of using medication to prevent injuries during training
in Chinese Martial Arts. One of the famous techniques that came out
of this science is the Iron Palm. The science of Tit Ta Medicine is
usually kept quite secret by Chinese Martial Arts exponents and
they do not reveal their recipes and techniques easily or
willingly. Tit Ta Medicine also has in its repetoire knowledge of
poisons and how to use them to heal and kill.

In recent years, many such Tit Ta medications are now produced
commercially and can be bought from the local Chinese Medicine Shop
or from pharmacists. Examples of these commercially available
medicines (which saves time since they can be bought off the shelf)
and traditional recipes will be given in this article. As far as
possible the western names of the herbs have been given. Tit Ta
Medication consists of two major areas: Internal Medicine (Nei Ke)
and External Medicine (Wai Ke).

These medications should not be used on pregnant women and women
during menstruation. For these two cases, please consult a
professional Chinese Physician or Tit Ta doctor for specific
prescriptions if you wish to use Chinese methods of healing.

Internal Medicine

These medications are taken internally to strengthen the body,
improve the circulation, break up blood clots, stop internal
bleeding and heal the musculature and bones of injury. They usually
come in the form of decoctions, powders, pills and wines.

This kind of medication is often taken as a complement to
externally applied medication on the site of the injury. Some of
the herbs used in these two kinds medications are often the same
but the quantity used for external application is often more. Some
medicated wines can often be used both internally and externally.

There are several types of internal Tit Ta medication available
commercially. One of the most famous is the Yunnan Bai Yao or
Yunnan White Medication. It is excellent for injuries and can be
used both internally and externally. It is available both in powder
and capsule form. Another is the Shaolin Tieh Da Huo Xue Dan or
Shaolin Iron Hitting Blood Invigourating Pill, it is taken for
injuries resulting from falls and contusions.

The use of internal medication often requires a clear understanding
of the internal condition of the patient. Traditional formulas are
often 'tailored' for the specific individual to suite their body
make-up. So no traditional formulas are presented here because of
this consideration.

External Medicine

This is where Tit Ta Medication is most well known. External Tit Ta
Medication comes usually as powders, plasters, pastes, balms and
liniments. The liniments being the most famous of the lot often
being referred to as Tit Ta Jow (Iron Hitting Wine) or Tit Ta Yow
(Iron Hitting Oil). External medication is often toxic and should
not be consumed, they should be kept out of reach of children. Some
of these medications also open up the pores and circulation and so
for the duration of the effect of the medication, the wound should
be kept away from water, cold air or wind or rheumatism might set
in.

These are applied directly to the injury and acts through the skin
(some medication is only suitable for injury that does not break
the skin and cannot be used in open wound situations) to reach the
damaged tissue and bone. They are also good for cases of rheumatism
and arthritis. Liniments are rubbed onto the skin and often if the
injury involves a joint or major muscle or is a sprain, the area is
manipulated to straighten the tendons and bones and to increase the
blood circulation to the area. Such manipulations are a science
unto themselves and form an essential part of the science of Tit Ta
Medicine. As they are many and varied, they will not be discussed
here.

Powders are usually used for open wounds and if mixed with wine
into a paste, as a compress or poultice. These are most often used
when there has been a severe injury with crushed muscles or broken
bones. These pastes are often referred to as bone setting pastes
(Jie Gu Gao) and because of their effectiveness, Tit Ta Physcians
are also often referred to as Bone Setting Doctors.

These powders and pastes are usually not commercially available and
are kept rather secret. A good powder that is used for bruises and
fractures is the Shaolin Chi Li San. The ingrediants are crushed
into powder form and then mixed with white rice wine into a paste
which is used over the injured area (no broken skin) and wrapped
with gauze and bandaged into place. It is left overnight and
removed the next day and the medication is continued until the
injury is healed.

Recipe For Chi Li San:

Defatted Croton Seed Powder 5g
Frankincense 5g
Myrrh 5g
Resina Draconis 5g
Natural Copper (crushed) 5g
Sodium Borate 5g
Tuber of Pinellia 5g
Radix Angelica Sinensis 10g

Plasters are used not only to heal the injury but to draw out the
'damp' from the wound and so prevent rheumatism. Many such
medicated plasters are now available commercially and are used
mainly for rheumatic pain. The older form of the plaster was just
a round dab of thickened medicinal paste in the centre of a piece
of paper or thick cloth which was administered to the desired area
of skin. Its quite troublesome to make in small quantities and so
commercial preparations are prefereable.

By far the most noted medication from the repetoire of Tit Ta
Medication are the liniments. These have long been used to heal and
prevent injuries due to martial arts training. So much so that they
are often an indespensible companion to the martial artist. The
recipes for these liniments are always a closely kept secret and
often are very old. There are basically four types of liniment in
Tit Ta Medicine. Wine based liniment, oil based liniment, vinegar
based liniment and water based liniment.

Of the four types of liniment, each having its own advantages, wine
or alcohol based liniment is the most preferred. This is because
alcohol based liniments penetrate quickly to deliver the herbal
medication and evaporate quickly leaving the herbs to do their
work. It also achieves a higher concentration of the herbal
essenses since alcohol is a good solvent. The herbs are soaked in
the wine for a period of time until their essence becomes dissolved
in the wine. In the old days, it was not uncommon for the medicated
wine to be buried underground for months, burying keeps the mixture
at quite a cool constant temperature.

Iron Hitting Wine Recipe

Camphor (crushed) 10g
Raw Fruit of Cape Jasmine 5g
Raw Root of Kusenoff Monkshood 25g
Raw Aconite Root 25g
Raw Tuber Of Jackinthepulpit 25g
Raw Pinellia Tuber 25g
Cattail Pollen 25g
Raw Chinese Quince 200g
Raw Rhubarb 150g
Root-Bark of slenderstyle acanthopanax 100g
Rhizome of incised notopterygium 200g
Root of double teeth pubescent angelica 200g
Root of Red Peony 150g

Place in a sealed jar with white wine (Gao Liang Wine or any other
high alcohol content wine) for 7-15 days. It can be used for all
injuries that don't break the skin.

Oil based liniments are prepared in much the same way with the
herbs soaking in vegetable based oil like olive oil. At times the
herbs are simmered with oil in a non-metal pan (metal pans may
cause chemical changes in the herbal mix) to draw out the essences.
Oil based liniment penetrate relatively slowly compared to wine
liniments and they remain there for a longer period of time. Whilst
useful for certain types of injuries such as crushed musclature
without swelling, it is best not to use it in cases where there is
swelling as it might aggrevate the swelling.

Water based liniments usually need to be warmed before use, this is
to aid the penetration of the medication through the skin. It is
the cheapest to produce this kind of liniment. Since it can made in
large quantities at relatively low costs it is often used in
training to harden anatomical weapons.

It has a disadvantage that water when retained in the hand and
subject to cold air or wind can result in poor circulation and
'damp' leading to rheumatism. So in using such liniment in
training, it is important to let the hand dry by itself thoroughly
without cold air or wind. The liniment is usually used before and
after such hardening training. A simple hand washing liniment for
the Iron Palm is as follows:

Iron Palm Water Based Liniment (Yi Jin Jing Recipe)

Equal quantities of Chinese Wolf Berry and table salt in a large
pot of water. Simmer the mixture for about 30 minutes. Warm the
mixture to about 40 degrees Celcius before using and wash the
hands, massaging them in the mixture, before and after training.
Make sure you take the precautions state above.

Vinegar based liniments are good to reduce swelling and
inflammation but prolonged use makes the bones brittle and so they
should not be used for sustained training like Iron Palm. They are
also prepared by soaking herbs in the base.

Commercial preparations are now available for such liniments, some
like Zhen Gu Shui are excellent. There are many such liniments
available off the shelf and many share common herbal elements. Some
of these liniments have also been mixed with thinkener or a cream
base and sold as balms. Tiger Balm is an example of such a balm.
The advantages of a balm over a liquid is that it won't spill and
can be carried around in a small container safely everywhere you
go.

Conclusion

Commercial preparations make it convenient to use these age old
recipes for healing injuries and for training purposes. Some may
still prefer to prepare them in the traditional fashion as this may
result in a higher concentration.

There are thousands of such traditional recipes and many of them
are kept secret by the different masters and schools of Chinese
Martial Arts. Some of these recipes are highly effective. Perhaps
in the future, such recipes will be commercially available or
recorded down and made available for the benefit of all. The
science of Tit Ta Medication still holds treasures and fascination
for many martial artists. It has done so for many centuries and may
very well go on doing so for many centuries to come.


Peter Lim Tian Tek limttk@merlion.singnet.com.sg
Singapore
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Postby Tye Botting » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:22 pm

Dan S

Re: Dit da jow
Reply #7 Posted at Fri Mar 12 22:28:53 2004 IP204.210.96.119 Odd. I thought vinegar based things would decalcify stuff (like egg shells or turkey wishbones.) I guess in partial quantities before complete decalcification you get brittle.

Good to know.
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Postby Tye Botting » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:22 pm

There are a bunch of jows for sale at http://www.ditdajows.com though I can't speak to the efficacy of them.

And here's another general purpose jow formula:

For making approximately 1 gallon

Fu Zi--30 gm (1 oz. is 28 gm. For convenience, we say 30 gm)
Ban Xia--30 gm
Di Gu Pi--60 gm
Bai Bu--60 gm
Long Gu--30 gm (optional--this is heat-treated cow bone (dragon bone))
Tian Nan Xing--30 gm
Hong Hua--30 gm
She Chuang Zi--30 gm
Chuan Xiong--30 gm
Hua Jiao--15 gm--will be phased out due to new FDA restrictions
San Qi--15 gm
Xue Jie--30 gm
Ru Xiang--30 gm
Mo Yao--30 gm
Ding Xiang--30 gm
Dang Gui--30 gm
Da Huang--15 gm

Add separately after cooking:

Camphor/Borneol Crystals--15 gm
Menthol Crystals--15 gm

The simple quick method for making this is to bring the herbs to a rolling boil in 1/2 gallon of water, simmer for 30 minutes (covered), cool, add 1/2 gallon of 95% alcohol (Everclear, grain alcohol) into a large glass jar with the herbs (or split it into 2-4 smaller glass containers), shake, and leave it on a dark shelf (or bury it in the earth) for as long as you're willing--from 1 week to 2 months. Then strain, squeeze, and bottle for use.

The slower (preferred) method:

Put the herbs, preferrably powdered, into 1-4 different glass containers (we like quart glass jars) and cover with a 30-50% alcohol (vodka, Everclear/water mix, distilled rice wine, or sake/vodka/grain alcohol mix). Put it on a dark shelf or bury it, leave it for 6-12 months. Strain off the alcohol and press the herbs in a muslin bag or pillowcase to get all of the liquid possible out, then bottle the Jow for use.

This from a site that will sell you either pre-mixed jow with this formula or a packet to make a gallon's worth. From comparison with the jows I'm familiar with, it looks like a good general purpose one. Here's the link it came from:

http://www.ancientway.com/catalog/produ ... cts_id=944
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Postby Tye Botting » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:23 pm

Just had to add another one (no more, I promise!) - this one is very similar to my personal jow, which I know works well, and it's easy to get all the herbs from normal herb sources...

Another Jow recipe:

* Arnica blossoms (anti-inflamatory, pain relief)
* Comfrey (anti-inflamatory, pain relief)
* Blessed Thistle (blood purifier)
* Goldenseal root (antibiotic, wound healing)
* Ginger root (circulation, wound healing, pain relief)
* Myrrh (antiseptic, circulation, wound healing)
* Sasparilla root (blood purifier)
* Witch Hazel (anti-inflamatory, pain relief)

Use equal proportions of all the items listed, by weight. You can meaure them out on a small kitchen scale.

Grind the herbs in a mortar & pestle (or electric grinder) and place them in a glass jar. Add 80 or 90 proof grain alcohol (I use vodka); use 4 ounces of dried herbs to one pint of alcohol base (or equivalent proportions). Seal the jar tightly. Allow the infusion to work for two weeks; once or twice a day, swirl the liquid gently through the herbal mash. After two weeks, strain off the liquid and discard the herbal residue; pour into smaller glass containers.

This tincture can be applied as is to swollen or bruised areas, or can be mixed with a thickener (like lanolin or safflower oil) and a hardener (like beeswax) to make an ointment. This formulation has also been effective in the treatment of arthritis, for pain relief and restoration of range of motion.

Taken from: http://kenponet.tripod.com/flame/busine ... n_ddj.html
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Postby Tye Botting » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:26 pm

More from the old forums...

Michael

Re: Dit da jow
Reply #10 Posted at Sun Mar 14 17:21:10 2004 IP63.195.58.16 d**n... i forgot that Kwong-Wing Lam is just down the road from here.


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Re: Dit da jow
Reply #11 Posted at Sun Mar 14 23:12:33 2004 IP66.157.164.126 Dang Michael!

Didn't know you were so close to Kwong Wing Lam. Run, don't walk right on over there! wink If you get to train under him, I'll be jealous. But at least you could fix my Lau Gar Kuen to match his next time we meet. Anyway, he's a very good resource if you're at all interested in Hung Gar kung fu - definitely worth checking out. Let me know your first-hand impressions if you do go over there.


Ben Garcia

Re: Dit da jow
Reply #12 Posted at Fri Mar 19 16:22:27 2004 IP130.160.200.178 Thanks for the recipes, Sifu! There should be a couple of Chinese apothecarys in Birmingham. I know there are some really really good Chinese retaurantes...

One more question, so you use it until the injury is gone, yes? That seems to be the assumption.


Chris Rivers

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Reply #13 Posted at Sat Mar 20 21:41:52 2004 IP64.12.96.107 Hmmmm.. all this sounds really good, I would like to make some of my own linament...Dan, have you found a place that sells rings for a reasonable ammt. of $? if so...where. Anyhow, you can order most, probably all of the above listed herbs online. Anyhow-talk with yall soon.

SWARMY WAS HERE!


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Reply #14 Posted at Mon Mar 22 17:17:36 2004 IP204.196.55.102 You could probably make a big vat of it for the school and have it sitting there ready for those conditioning sessions. wink It's fun to make, and quite rewarding actually. You might want to give some to Kyoshi Montoya if you do make it - he knows the value of a good jow and would definitely be appreciative.


Fire and Rain

Tuscaloosa?
Reply #15 Posted at Tue Jun 22 23:53:08 2004 IP24.175.151.195

On Thu Mar 11 17:55:04 2004, Ben Garcia wrote: (read quoted post)I don't think Tuscaloosa has any Chinese herbalists, unfortunately.

Hmm. . .Tuscaloosa Alabama?

Interesting! I live in halfway between Montgomery and Auburn.

- Fire and Rain


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Reply #16 Posted at Wed Jun 23 01:19:14 2004 IP65.0.32.100 You and Ben should get together for sure then!

Ben, Fire is a great guy and more than willing to train hard, plus he's used to hard conditioning and things like the empty-hand Tapi-Tapi drill you learned.

Fire, Ben is very fun to work out with and has good power generation among other things. I considered him an assistant even though he is only mid-ranked.


Fire and Rain

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Reply #17 Posted at Thu Jun 24 06:26:27 2004 IP24.175.151.195 The drive to Tuscaloosa is about 2.5 hours for me, so it's not like we'd be training together weekly. But we might be able to at least meet up in B-ham for coffee or something, maybe. It's always good to know another friend in the community, right?

And on a side note: you totally over-estimated me to Ben. I'm nowhere near as good as you just implied. happy

- Fire and Rain


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Reply #18 Posted at Thu Jun 24 17:45:04 2004 IP130.160.200.178 Hey Fire, check your messages. rolleyes


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Reply #19 Posted at Thu Jun 24 19:58:05 2004 IP204.196.55.102

On Thu Jun 24 06:26:27 2004, Fire and Rain wrote: (read quoted post)And on a side note: you totally over-estimated me to Ben. I'm nowhere near as good as you just implied. happy


Not at all! And if I did, then I did so equally to both of you... wink
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Postby Tye Botting » Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:40 am

Thanks to David McKeown from another forum, here's another formula, called the Dr. Leung Jan from Wing Chun:

1 bottle of strong vodka, gin or Chinese Rice Wine

Artemesia (Liu ji nu) - 5g
Borneol (Bingpian) - 1g
Carthamus (Honghua) - 5g
Catechu (Ercha) - 8g
Cinnabar(Zhusha) - 5g
Cirsium (DaJi) - 1g
Dragon's Blood (Xuejie) - 30g
Mastic (Ruxiang) - 5g
Musk (Shexiang) - 1g
Myrrh (Moyao) - 5g
Pinellia (ShengBanXia) - 5g

These are the Botanical & Chinese names, 1 ox = 30 grams

Mix all the ingredients & grind into a fine powder, add the whole bottle of vodka, gin, Rice Wine & mix well.

It can be used straight away but the longer it is brewing the stronger it becomes.

It's better in a glass container because the alcohol causes plastic to break down into the formula.
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Dit da Jow

Postby StarofWhiteLight » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:44 am

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¸½×Ó30g Monkshood
ÈéÏã 25g Frankincense
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ÕÁÄÔ20g Camphor
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Postby jpark » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:24 am

has anyone ever ordered from ditdajows.com? i havent yet...just want to know what you guys think...
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Postby davidmckeown » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:01 am

Tye Botting wrote:Thanks to David McKeown from another forum, here's another formula, called the Dr. Leung Jan from Wing Chun


Hey Tye........
Thanks for the mention..!

I have some jow one of my students brought me back from Honkers....quite nice but appears to have been made with Brandy...stinks a bit!
As soon as I get him to translate the formula for me I'll post it for you :)
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Postby Tye Botting » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:55 pm

davidmckeown wrote:I have some jow one of my students brought me back from Honkers....quite nice but appears to have been made with Brandy...stinks a bit!
As soon as I get him to translate the formula for me I'll post it for you :o)

Thanks, that'd be great! Some of these formulae get really interesting. I really should gather my personal formula together and post it - it's one I developed using only herbs available in the USA, just to see if I could. It worked, and better than any of the common ones you can by (I know, not saying much), but better than some traditional formulae I've come across too. I knew my chemistry would come in handy!... ;-)
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Postby Bob Asbridge » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:08 pm

Here is my Lau Family recipe. Use it by soaking your forearm in a big jar and keep the arm inside for approximately 7 minutes. After that, just rub or massage the Dit Dar Jow in. I have used this for years, for conditioning. I hardly get any bruises, but when I do get a bruise it heals very very quickly.

FYI, always leave the herbs in the jow.


Die Da Jiu Fang (Trauma Wine/Tincture Formula)

Hong Hua 18g Dang Gui Wei 18g Ze Lan 18g San Leng 18g E Zhu 18g prepared Ru Xiang 30g prepared Mo Yao 30g

prepared Zi Ran Tong 18g Su Mu 18g Da Huang 18g Niu Xi 18g Hou Po 18g Chuan Shan Long18g
Yu Jin18g

Xue Jie 30g Wu Yao 18g Sheng Di Huang 18g Tian San Qi 60g Gui Zhi 18g Mu Gua 18g Xi Xin 18g
Wei Ling Xian 18g Bai Zhi18g

Tao Ren 18g Fang Feng 18g Qiang Huo 18g Du Huo 18g Wu Jia Pi 18g prepared Cao Wu 18g prepared Chuan Wu18g Song Jie18g

Ji Xue Teng 18g Mu Dan Pi 18g Zhi Ke 18g Tu Bie Chong 18g Mu Xiang 18g Yan Hu Suo18g Gu Shui Bu18g
Xu Duan 18g Luo Shi Teng18g

prepared Tian Nan Xing 18g

with wine

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Postby Bob Asbridge » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:24 pm

This Dit Da Jow recipe comes from a "Hsing I" master in Taiwan and is for a gallon of "wine". Let soak for 6 months, then use.

"Hsing I" Dit Da Jow

Sheng di huang, Tao ren, Wu jia pi, Mu gua, Niu xi, Su mu, Bing lang, Huang qin, Huang bai, Da huang, all 9g

Wang bu liu xing,1g

Hong hua, Xiang fu, all 12g

Fu rong ye, prepared Ru xiang, prepared Mo yao, prepared Cao wu, Chen pi, Sheng jiang, all 6g

Ai ye, Mu zei,Tu bie chong, prepared Zi ran tong, Bai zhi, Xue yu tan, all 15g
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