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anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:46 pm
by Tye Botting
From the old forums...

Tye Botting
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anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Started at Fri Mar 12 06:30:04 2004
Last Modified at Fri Mar 12 20:26:40 2004 by Tye Botting IP66.157.164.126 Some of the 'older' things we remember and still practice are things like the 6-count drill (anim na bilang) and the box drill (10 counts), as well as variations: left vs. right, empty-hand, knife-only, espada-y-daga, with counters inserted (both 1/2 count and simultaneous), with locks or disarms inserted, etc.

Additionally, using things directly from Modern Arnis, myself and my student Guro Abel would sometimes work new patterns, just to explore the different angles and opportunities presented there as well as to help make the material more part of us. One of our favorites that we came up with we like to call the Range Drill. It covers lots of angles and ranges, and while it's still a give-and-take drill, it kind of bridges concepts between the 6-ct/10-ct drills and tapi-tapi. It's an 18-ct drill in the same counting method as the others.

I'll list it below. Keep in mind that once gone through in sequence the players change roles. A does the sequence as B, and vice versa. Hopefully, you're able to follow the description:

Player A // Player B
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#3 strike // sweep block
cutting downwards block // #8 strike
#9 strike // #9 sweep block
sweep block // #2 strike
punyo hook-punch // empty-hand palis closed
catch backfist & clear// backfist strike
#5 strike // wing block
shield (slant) block // #12 strike
#12 strike // roof (slant) block

I'd love to hear other patterns and variations, as well your take on pulling out applications and counter-attack flows, etc.


Chris Ball

variation on Modern Arnis knife give and take drill
Reply #1 Posted at Fri Mar 12 15:55:04 2004 IP69.0.122.63 I taught my students our basic knife give and take drill right after covering the first 5 disarms. My thought was to reinforce the #2 type disarm movements AND FORCE them to step in closer. They also asked about slices which I kept in the back of my mind, but kept them focused on what they were supposed to be learning (stabs).

Well, later we were doing the empty hand flow drill off punches (strikes #1 - #4) when it dawned on me. Why not combine the two drills. Which we subsequently did with some effect.

Modified Knife Drill
Attacker (with knife): #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6,#7
Defender uses gunting (i.e., flow drill) on strikes #1 - #4 and then the standard drill for #5-#7.
It works nicely.

We've done palis-palis for the last month, so we'll modify the drill once again where defenders can use either gunting or palis palis. Just to avoid confusion since there is palis palis in a gunt, we've been doing the palis palis where you "chop" down (and touched on espada y daga) instead of pass overhead and step under (like in the flow drill).

If you try and enjoy the drill let me know. Also if you improve it, I'd like to as well.


Chris Ball

Re: anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Reply #2 Posted at Fri Mar 12 15:57:05 2004 IP69.0.122.63 Is our 6-count drill also called sumbrada? I heard other people use that term and it was pointed out that it is our 6-count drill.

Would the 10-count (box) also be sumbrada then?

What then is sumbrada? A type of tapi like drill? Or are only these two specific patterns called sumbrada?


Tye Botting
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Re: anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Reply #3 Posted at Fri Mar 12 18:30:30 2004 IP66.157.164.126 Nice idea combining the two (flow drill w/ knife and basic stabbing knife drill). Don't forget the flow drill goes both high and low, and also that we do it with empty-hand, knife, cane, and espada y daga.

As to the names, in other styles all of these give and take drills like the box drill are called sumbradas, just like all the various sinawalis are called sinawalis. Anyhoo, for us, the only names I leaned in Modern Arnis were either anim-na-bilang or the 6-count drill for the first one, and either the box drill or the 10-count drill for the second one. The ones that Guro Abel and I put together were just named 14-count, 18-count, range drill, and 30-count drill (the latter of which goes through all the striking angles and ranges - nice, but not as nifty as the range drill). They're on my notes I gave you a copy of (didn't I?).


Tye Botting
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Re: anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Reply #4 Posted at Fri Mar 12 21:09:54 2004
Last Modified at Fri Mar 12 21:10:08 2004 by Tye Botting IP66.157.164.126 Arte, would you mind writing down that sumbrada that you showed at that Fest? I'd like to make sure that what I remember of it is correct, and while I double-checked with the vids, I couldn't see everything as clearly as I'd like. Danke!


ArteXerxes

Re: anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Reply #5 Posted at Fri Mar 12 21:45:03 2004 IP68.84.86.140 Errr, was it the cross block? Alright, here goes:

Assume a right leg front stance. Uke throws a right hand punch to hit Tori in the left face/temple. Tori catches Uke's fist with Tori's right hand, Tori's left hand is just underneath Uke's caught fist; the back of the left wrist should be touching the front of right wrist on Tori (so that they form an "X").

Tori's upper body pivots to the left and draws Uke's hand down towards Tori's belly-button.

Tori throws a right handed back-fist to hit Uke in the face. Uke responds by Catching Tori's back-fist with Uke's left hand (the catch should be on the wrist/forearm instead of the actual fist). Tori drops his right elbow, brings his right hand to a boxer's guard and throws a left cross at Uke's face. Uke (who should have maintained contact with Tori's left hand the whole time of the drill) parries Tori's left cross. Away from his face and across Uke's body.

Tori then respond with a right punch to Uke's left face / temple and the drill continues ad infinitium.

How's that?

Arte


Tye Botting
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Re: anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Reply #6 Posted at Fri Mar 12 22:44:09 2004 IP66.157.164.126 Yep, I think that's the one - thanks muchly!

Now that you've intimated that there are others, of course I want to hear of them as well. wink

I'm just about to start another thread to describe some basic terminology so that discussions here will have common ground, so that might help you understand the stuff I'm posting, since I'm not sure if you use the same terms and strike numbers...


ArteXerxes

Re: anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Reply #7 Posted at Fri Mar 12 23:08:43 2004 IP68.84.86.140 Others off the #1 angle or just others in general? Geez man, it would be a WHOLE lot easier to show them to you than explain them too you. I could video tape them, encode them and send them too you if you want - would be easier in general than trying to explain...

Arte


Tye Botting
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Re: anim na bilang / box drills / sumbradas
Reply #8 Posted at Fri Mar 12 23:20:19 2004
Last Modified at Fri Mar 12 23:20:34 2004 by Tye Botting IP66.157.164.126 cheesy Sorry, just being greedy - I love all this stuff, and as you know, I love drills of all types. The fact that they involve crossing arms and weapons is a good thing for developing all sorts of 'combat proprioception' and applications.

Jeez, you'd think with that attitude I'd have gravitated more towards ground grappling as well... I'll let you know after my first multi-day seminar with Van Browning later this year...

Remind me to bug you more about your Inayan drills when I see you at the Fest - it would be interesting to see both the similarities and differences between our drills.