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About horse(riding) stance

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About horse(riding) stance
Started at Sun Mar 7 20:22:52 2004 IP4.34.133.230 I've been trying 2 different horse stances for a month now. The first is our standard 'thighs parallel to the ground' stance, and the other is the bajiquan 'go as low as you can while keeping your back straight'. I know it's supposed to give different results, but I don't know what it is. Anybody have insights on this?




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Re: About horse(riding) stance
Reply #1 Posted at Mon Mar 8 15:15:44 2004 IP165.91.177.45 My best guess would be power versus leg strength.

In the thighs parallel stance, you are pushing your legs for strength and endurance. Your back is hopefully straight in a relative fashion(that is you're not pushing your butt out and arching your spine), but I don't think the same level of balance is present.

In the deep as you can go with your back straight stance, I think this is teaching you the set up for using your hips and back properly(don't get me wrong this will still make your legs burn). In this position though, you have a different level of stability and balance. You may not be as loaded up on your legs based on stance depth, but you now have your back straight so you can use your lower back to transfer power into your movement. Also you're a lot harder to move in the position because your center of gravity is more centrally located(over your hips), whereas in the thighs parallel stance you tend to be bent over. Okay, I am rambling, I'd definitely like to hear other people's comments on this topic.



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Re: About horse(riding) stance
Reply #2 Posted at Mon Mar 8 16:09:36 2004 IP130.160.200.145 Hey, so wouldn't the bajiquan chi ma shih be worse for your knees than ours? Just wondering, because sometimes, when I could do it for a long time, I could feel it in my knees for the next day.



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Re: About horse(riding) stance
Reply #3 Posted at Mon Mar 8 16:17:27 2004 IP165.91.177.45 It may put some strain on the knees, but I think that type of injury comes when the knees bow in. The proper place for the knees is in the same line and plane as the feet. This will put the strain on your thighs, not on your knees.



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Re: About horse(riding) stance
Reply #4 Posted at Mon Mar 8 21:17:46 2004 IP204.196.55.102 Just wanted to remind you guys that both stances were discussed when I first showed you horse-riding. The first, thighs-parallel, was supposed to be emphasized at first for physical external development. The latter, back-straight, was supposed to be for structure, internal power, and should eventually be the one you favor (though I'm still working on that myself at times).

Your northern styles often go for the internal, back-straight stance whereas your southern styles tend to prefer the lower, thighs-parallel. There are exceptions to both trends, to be sure, but the generalization does seem to hold for the most part. Ideally, over time, the two stances become the same, as you develop your strength, flexibility, and balance.

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Re: About horse(riding) stance
Reply #5 Posted at Wed Apr 28 17:44:47 2004 IP165.91.166.245 i s*ck at it ....some times i wanna cut my legs off and put in newer more flexible ones .........cry
chi ma shi has got to be the most frustrating thing for me in kung fu .......i can deal with everything else , but that stance frustrates me.........merely cause i see the benefits of it ......oh well......maybe sifu chris and i could work more on it .....



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Re: About horse(riding) stance
Reply #6 Posted at Wed Apr 28 23:36:28 2004 IP65.0.39.133 Actually, I meant to tell you I thought you were lower at the camp than I'd seen you before. So, keep on doing what you're doing and pushing it further, and it will slowly come. Don't give up, because it's working!

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Re: About horse(riding) stance
Reply #7 Posted at Fri Apr 30 16:55:13 2004 IP165.91.166.182 i appreciate that sifu
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